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Fay Reid's avatar

Thank you Graham, a very interesting dialogue. Cutting the basic:: 1) In several online messages, beginning in November and continuing into January (on the platform Twitter) Trump implored his supporters to come to a gathering on January 6, 2021. In itself this was not illegal.

2) during the course of his harangue he implored them, to march to the Capitol, (Congressional Building) to stop the steal; fight like hell; hope Mike Pence was sufficiently loyal to refuse to count the legally sworn Electoral College ballots from the 50 States; fight to keep their country. Free speech is covered by Amendment 1 [incidently, once Amendments are ratified by 3/4 of the States they are then recognized as part of the Constitution and can only be removed by the ratification of another Amendment - this happened once, when Amendment 18 (supporting prohibition of the sale and use of alcohol) was made void by Amendment 21. - Amendment 14 has never been removed in all or part] But freedom of speech ends at inciting and urging an insurrection against your own government.

3) He watched on television for more than 3 hours, while the insurrectionists, attacked the Capitol Police force and members of the DC Metro Police force, injuring some 140 officers of said forces.; smashed windows, broke doors; these insurrectionists desecrated the building; entered the chambers of the House of Representatives, which although the Legislators fled in fear of their lives, was still technically in session for the Ceremonial counting of votes; they then proceeded to break into offices, steal items, including laptops, flags, and anything that struck their fancy. "The word insurrection refers to “an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government” 123. It is a serious offense and can lead to severe legal consequences.

4) When Trump was finally prevailed upon to call off his minions he told them "he loved them, and they should go home.

After the Chamber was set in order, that same evening, the ballots were finally counted and accepted by 388 members of Congress. 147 MAGAs voted no.

5) Trump has publicly declared his intention IF HE IS ELECTED to pardon all those who were found guilty of insurrection, except for those who testified against him in the Congressional Hearing.

This is considered giving aid and comfort to the enemy. In our Country people who destroy Government property, attempt to disrupt a governmental procedure, and steal or desecrate government are considered enemies of the people.

The only reason Trump was not at the Capitol urging his minions on, was the Secret Service detail refused to drive him there. But inciting, directing and encouraging should be sufficient to hold him guilty.

I did watch the entire mess unfold. I happened to be off work that day. I was home in California, so I watched from about 8:30 AM to nearly midnight.

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JJack Artz's avatar

Many presumptions about Russia-Ukraine are wrong. The coup of Feb 2014 is not figured in, as are not the Minsk accords by Putin trying to avoid further military action against the coup. The fact that the coup chased the legally elected President out to Russia, leaves open the possibility that especially the Crimean occupation by Russia may have been authorized by the deposed President.

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