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Aidas's avatar

“NATO enlargement caused the war” is basically saying “I had to rob that house because he was buying an insurance policy and a burglar alarm”. It’s nonsense bollocks

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You and I see NATO differently, Graham. I see NATO as a group of protectionist allies, who, like the UN made the mistake of allowing single Country vetoes to destroy peaceful settlements. You mentioned the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. These occurred because the United States (of which I am a loyal citizen) bamboozled NATO. It is a well known fact that the attackers on September 11, 2001 were primarily from Saudi Arabia with a very few from Yemen. There was not ONE single attacker from either Afghanistan or Iraq. BUT our business leaders had business dealings and alliances with Saudi Arabia so heaven forbid we should declare war, or even negotiate with the Saudi's to punish those who planned and/or financed the terrorist attack. Osama bin Laden was the son of an influential Saudi business man, so, my goodness, we couldn't ask him to hand over his asshole son for punishment.

We could possibly justify our attack on Afghanistan. since they had 'allowed' Osama bin Laden to train his troops on Afghanistan soil, but even that is stretching it - we should have negotiated with their government to turn over any members of the al Qaeda terrorist organization to us.

There was not even a shred of evidence linking Iraq to the 9/11 attack, BUT Iraq had oil, Saudi Arabia were our business buddies, and Afghanistan had nothing the George W Bush regime wanted.

Moving on to your condemnation of NATO for welcoming former members of the Soviet bloc; Russia for eons has been an authoritarian government, before Lenin and Trotsky, the Czars (or Tsars if you prefer) ruled Russia with iron fists. There was the ruling class and the serfs who into the 20th Century were treated like non-human beasts, hovering on the verge of starvation and ignorance. After the break up of the USSR, is it any wonder that those Countries within the Continent of Europe who had been under Russian domination now sought to join both NATO and the European Union? The EU even tolerates forms of authoritarianism - although I don't know why.

It was no surprise to me that Ukraine, under its newfound self government with Zelensky, wished to join both NATO and the EU.

Vladimir Putin has no legitimate claim to Ukraine. Yes, since 1922 they (Ukrainians) were willing parties in the USSR. But you have to also remember that Lenin and Trotsky truly believed they could form a true communist regime. They could not. And Stalin, a cruel authoritarian, like trump slime, organized an oligarchical dictatorship to the benefit of the handful of wealthy. Putin continues in Stalin's footsteps. He wants power and control, and I, for one will be happy to see him and his whole damned oligarchy DEAD.

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